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Flir C2 Review and Comparison

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KrystleT

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Points taken. Thank you.

However, based on the comparison, it would have been more appropriate to compare 2 FLIR branded products as opposed to two products that compete against each other, it favors FLUKE in this instance and leaves an opinion in the minds of whoever read this post that FLIR is inferior.

I work with both units and try be as honest and open with my clients as possible, should FLUKE have a product that outperforms FLIR I will definitely mention this to the client/company. FLIR are the world leaders in Thermal Technology, FLUKE are better paired in volume quantity and pricing, FLIR are in a different market strategy. I have yet to find a FLUKE TIC that outperforms FLIR. Once again, this is personal opinion and my expertise in this specific specialized market.

Personal preference of a 60Hz to a 30Hz is understandable. I have worked with the Expert Range TIC with Radiometric Video imaging and a 30Hz unit gives roughly 4 Fps on, for instance glass bottle manufacturing company... i expected a lag, i even warned the client we should expect a lag, i was pleasantly surprised. I don`t think it is necessary to have 30Hz or 60Hz if a general building/electrical application is the sole purpose for the client.

Ultimately we will have FLIR supporters and FLUKE supporters.
I am with you on the C2/C3 offering in terms of the struggle I face on a daily basis in South Africa, where price is King and professionals expect the unit to do the job and give accurate readings at 20mtrs away, the struggle is real!
My best solution is to take EX range, EXX range and compare the units.
Compact Range to Premium Range to Expert Range, making them aware of the IFOV and pixels on target and Sensitivity to get 3 different temperature readings.

FLIR in my opinion should rename their vertical and specify the FLIR ONE PRO and C2/C3 to be consumer level products. It will help alot in the upsell for the professional.

That all being said, the imagery you took is extremely helpful.
 

Bill Warner

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However, based on the comparison, it would have been more appropriate to compare 2 FLIR branded products as opposed to two products that compete against each other, it favors FLUKE in this instance and leaves an opinion in the minds of whoever read this post that FLIR is inferior.
That certainly was not my intent as I previously explained. But I do fault FLIR and their salesforce to an extent for not taking the high road in what I consider to be somewhat deceptive marketing with their low end consumer grade products. As in all marketing, it's good business to get the sale regardless if the product actually serves the intended purpose. Just not ethical business... I've witnessed time again FLIR sales people touting the benefits of the C2 (now C3) to inspectors as an adequate low cost camera for inspectors and professionals. Whether out of ignorance or sheer greed or both I'm not sure. Even some training firms and industry trade shows offer these as "free" enticements to purchase. That alone should make one wary.

FLIR in my opinion should rename their vertical and specify the FLIR ONE PRO and C2/C3 to be consumer level products. It will help alot in the upsell for the professional.
I completely agree. Unfortunately these products appear to have become a poster child so to speak for infrared use in the professional realm. I do find them to be impressive for what they are and can do, but professional infrared equipment is not one of these attributes.

Thank you again for your comments on this thread! I and others here look forward to future posts from you! I'd love to see some of your images and read about your professional encounters from South Africa!
 
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KrystleT

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Thanks for your response.
Absolutely will post some imagery, alternatively some imagery is on LinkedIn :)
These images were taken with the FLIR E95 24° / 42°


FLIR1931.jpgFLIR2043.jpgThermal Hands Krystle.jpgFLIR2168.jpg
 

Adair Inspection

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NACBI Member
Kristie T
thanx for your comments
what is your profession?
we are a well-respected group of professional building inspectors & thermographers with no need for anonymity
many of us have helped, met & worked with one another throughout our careers & always look forward to new fish ;~)) & opportunities for collaboration
a man my from somewhere in my lineage said it best & proved it throughout his life
In Re to equipment as with inspectors
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i too look forward to future words of wisdom from you
 
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Bill Warner

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NACBI Member
Thanks for your response.
Absolutely will post some imagery, alternatively some imagery is on LinkedIn :)
These images were taken with the FLIR E95 24° / 42°
Fantastic images!!!
 

David Andersen

Active Community Member
NACBI Member
That certainly was not my intent as I previously explained. But I do fault FLIR and their salesforce to an extent for not taking the high road in what I consider to be somewhat deceptive marketing with their low end consumer grade products. As in all marketing, it's good business to get the sale regardless if the product actually serves the intended purpose. Just not ethical business... I've witnessed time again FLIR sales people touting the benefits of the C2 (now C3) to inspectors as an adequate low cost camera for inspectors and professionals. Whether out of ignorance or sheer greed or both I'm not sure. Even some training firms and industry trade shows offer these as "free" enticements to purchase. That alone should make one wary.
Kristie T

I hope you realize that Bill is not rendering a sales pitch for Fluke cameras, or diminishing one particular product by comparing it with another product out of its class. Here in the United States the C2 camera has a biased push amongst "unprofessional" home inspectors and the like.

I have conducted several clinics at FLIR conventions over the years. When the C2 camera came out, they were giving them away as door prizes like they hand out cheese at the grocery store. During a break I went to the sales demonstration area and took a look at the C2. I specifically used it on the HVAC air duct in the auditorium. I compared what I was looking at with a FLIR BX 640 camera. I identified an air duct leak with one camera and not the other. I was approached by a salesperson and I questioned their marketing approach on this inferior imager. They responded with all the talking points that they had rehearsed for the presentation. When I pointed out the difference identified with the BX 640, the salesman immediately tried to sell me that camera as it was obviously a better choice. I simply walked away.

Later that day while presenting my clinic, I was asked a question from an attendee that just received a free C2 camera, about utilizing that camera for equestrian thermal imaging application (he was a rancher). I explained exactly how the camera should be used and in the process pointed out limitations and potential issues utilizing that camera for that particular application. One of the top level III thermographer's from FLIR interrupted the clinic to reiterate that the C2 camera was not intended for use in this type of application (and others). A direct contradiction between the rank-and-file thermographer's of FLIR and their sales force.

All of us here have had to endure years of heated debate from building inspectors trying to convince themselves that they can enter into building science thermography utilizing a $400 camera (because in spite of its inability to identify thermal exceptions in some cases, it's better than they can do with their eyes)! Well, that's not how all of this works.

So forgive us for beating a dead horse to death. Bill put together a good example that simply shows the difference between what one camera can see over another (regardless of camera manufacturer or model). You cannot understand what you are missing until you can see what you're missing!

MSX is another attempt to disguise what you cannot see with the C2. The only use I have for MSX is in electrical inspections where you can read circuit breaker nomenclature directly on the thermal scan, which is far superior to trying to compare a digital and thermal scan to identify which breaker requires service.

Your thermographic examples are excellent examples of what to expect from a professional thermographer utilizing the appropriate equipment for the task. Your thermal tuning (which is another failure the automatic point and shoot thermographer's utilize) is excellent! Good job.

BTW: what's the story behind your cold middle finger? Sympathetic nervous system response, or utilizing freedom of expression in the heating season?!
 
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